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So, after watching episode 7 last week, I flipped out about what was going to happen next, and burned through the entire book.

Ned's dead, baby. Ned's dead. (Sorry.) I'm not sure why I'm being flippant, when it really fucking upset me. I knew things were going horrifically bad, and I knew it was likely that he was going to die. But now he's dead and what a fucking awful way for him to have gone. I hate them for using his children as a way to force him to lie and call himself a traitor. And fucking Joffrey--he's got to die at some point. He's too much of a tyrant and a weasel. I will relish his death scene some day. To have him executed like that. God.

Well done, Cersei. You've put your un-entitled sociopathic bastard on the throne. Congratulations. And he's already blowing you off and disregarding your commands. How's that working out for you, or the kingdom?

And as enraged as I was with Sansa's lack of gumption and wit, I appreciated Cat's immediate dismissal of her letter about Ned being a traitor as Cersei's words, not Sansa's. I don't understand why on earth Joffrey still wants to marry her. Yes, she's attractive, but as she pointed out, he just killed her father, she's seen him for the wimp he is, and it's not like he stands to gain anything from her now.

I'd been accidentally spoiled that Khal Drogo was going to die, even though I wasn't sure it was during this book. I was sad about it. So sad. Dany has such a spectacular ascent from being her brother's bargaining chip, to a terrified wife, to bad ass Khaleesi. Hated to see such a huge anvil drop on her. And while I'm excited that the dragons hatched in this first book, her breastfeeding them was a bit gross.

The scenes between Tywin and Tyrion are interesting. Tywin's one cold mutha, ain't he? The Lannisters are largely loathesome, but also fascinating to read about. I didn't enjoy the battle scenes so much, and just want it to be over with.

I'm so curious about so many things. Why was Robert king, and not Tywin--with all his gold. I want to know more backstory and know everything that's going to happen EVER. I've started the next book, but have to stop because I have to finish a couple of bookclub books first. Argh.

I'm sure I'm forgetting other things.

It's very hard to not go read a list of all the dead right now. Basically at this point, I assume that literally anyone can die at any moment. It's keeping me sane.

Date: 2011-05-31 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Well, so far you hit all the salient points :)

I can divulge a tad about how Robert came to the throne over Jon Arryn or Tywin Lannister, and it really isn't very spoilerish - it's mostly expounded by GRRM in his collection of correspondence - the So Spake Martin collection over on

However, regarding why the Lannisters still want Sansa: the Lannisters are ever hungry for lands and wealth and titles. Just because Sansa isn't the heiress of Winterfell doesn't mean that the Lannisters wouldn't work towards that anyway :)

Date: 2011-05-31 03:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Does the story naturally unfold the information on Robert/Jon/Tywin? If not--share away!

And is Winterfell that desirable a land--so near the Wall, such harsh climate? You'd think there would be plenty of other girls with more desirable property, less family animosity. Hrm. (Though I see your point.)

I also now totally get why you said that Cat's action of Tyrion made her unforgivably hated. It's shocking the sequence of events that unleashed.

Date: 2011-05-31 01:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
I'll re-think my understanding wrt Jon/Tywin/Robert and post about it later.

Winterfell is the seat of the lord paramount of all the North. All of the houses in the North bow to the Starks, You have to think of the Seven Kingdoms as an empire and the King on the the Iron Throne as the emperor. The Starks are the kings of the North in all but official title. The North is basically a seperate nation, but one that is looped into the Seven Kingdoms by trade and cultural exchange among the noble classes. The North is definitely among the outliers because it doesn't share the common Faith. So are the Iron Islands, but they are really poor and isoloted (The Iron Islands are the rump state for one the Seven Kingdoms that Aegon conquered which at one time included the Riverlands, which is why the Tullys are not former kings).

It's a really big deal. All of the conquered kingdoms gave away their royal status in the face of Aegon and his sisters and their pets. Dorne was brought in later, not by conquest, and so their lord paramount is still a 'Prince/ss.'

THe shitstorm that Catelyn unleashed is mostly due to unpredictable reactions to her calculated gamble, but people judge her really really hashly with the benefit of hindsight.

Date: 2011-05-31 04:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
Oh that makes sense. And something I should have realized, considering how Cat and Robb run around gathering all their people, with Robb as their liege lord.

Loved learning that Maester Aemon is/was a Targaryen!

And agree about the shitstorm of Catelyn. There was no way she could have realized what would come of that action--though it was still foolhardly and impetuous.

Date: 2011-06-01 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
alright, I did some quick checking - this is how Robert came to the throne over Tywin.

Basically it was called Robert's Rebellion (quickly elided to the Robellion on usenet of yore) because Robert was the driving force: he was a natural leader.

In this corner, you have Robert the charismatic, handsome, bold, kick-ass warrior and he sat in the center of a bloc allied houses - Stark and Arryn and Tully and Baratheon: he and Ned were squires together, and he was betrothed to Lyanna, and both Ned and Robert were wards at the Eyrie and loved by Jon Arryn, plus Brandon Stark (Ned's older brother) was betrothed the older Tully daughter (Cat) and Jon Arryn was given Lysa Tully to cement bringing House Arryn into the war on their side.

Plus, if you peek at the index, House Baratheon has a fig-leaf of a tissue-thin legal claim as a side--sprout of House Targaryen.

In that corner, you have the Lannisters, lorded over by Tywin. House Lannister was seen to be Targayen loyalist (his son was in Aerys' Kingsguard [KG]), Tywin himself was a fixture in Aerys' court and no one really trusted their loyalty to begin with; plus there are the later shenanigans with Tywin joining the war late and basically throwing in with Robert after the war was pretty much over, Jaime killing Aerys and the messiness with Rhaegar's wife and children - no one really trusts them.

However, the Lannisters are also "kings" of their own realm, the Lords of the Rock and the Westerlands, and they are very, very rich, and so they were brought into the ruling coalition by virtue of marrying Cersei to the new king.
Edited Date: 2011-06-01 01:51 am (UTC)

Date: 2011-06-02 06:07 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile]
That makes sense--good to know, too. Thank you!

Do you know of the Tower of the Hand web site? I just found out about it, and am ecstatic because you can select how much you've read, and it'll edit the content to not spoil you. Which is freaking awesome. (Though you probably already know about it, it was a big find for me yesterday!)


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